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Friday, September 19, 2008
Any takers?
I'm trying to clean and condense ... and have decided that after three years of not using these frames they can't stick around. Joe and I got them for our wedding and they are really nice frames, they just don't go with the style of our house. The first set are 4x6 and the second set are 8x10. I just thought I'd see if anyone was interested before I take them to Goodwill, so if you are let me know! I know they'll look great in someone's house! Oh, and you have to live in Maryland because this is not a shipping business. ;) 
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The second ones are mine!!! Why have you never shown these to me???
Man! I'm two hours too late!
Hey joe. Any second cody is going to realize how bad it looks to attack people's character when having a friendly sports debate(ie. calling someone "Snobby", "Arrogant", "Ignorant", "Elitist", "Blind", "Hypocrite", etc.) When he does, he will surely delete his entire thread, as in times past.
I can not allow such awesome material to be erased forever from cyberspace. So here you go.
Joe-- Keep dreaming. One week. A fluke. TCU is a good team. Arizona is horrible and has been for like 6 years, UCLA was playing all back-ups, Still not sure how ASU lost and the only upset of all four games. Good to see you so happy. Go Cardinals. ASU is overrated though. Rudy Carpenter is a baby. Too bad we dumped Maxxy Boy.
Cody-- Please Joe, don't come on here defending the PAC-1.5 when all the comentators agree that they are over-rated. And as for UCLA playing all their backups, what an extreme exageration you use to try and justify your attitude. They (UCLA) didn't pull their starters the entire game and were still getting schooled by BYU's 2nd and 3rd string players. UCLA was on a backup quarterback and running back, we all know that and understand that to be a hinderance to their offense, but how do you explain their defense not being able to stop BYU from scoring with their starters? They still had their original starters on defense including some pre-season hyped DB's that got destroyed by the BYU offense. As for ASU dumping Max Hall, he chose to go to BYU on his own accord because he saw the writing on the wall. Also, if you can't play with the injuries of a few starters, then you don't belong in that upper echelon to begin with. Utah lost their top 4 offensive players last year and still made it to a bowl game and won. Where are the excuses for them? Face it, the PAC-10 elitist attitude that you embrace has finally been shown for the arrogant, egocentric fraud that it is. PAC-1.5 fans should thank their lucky stars for Pete Carrol. Were it not for him, the conference would get no media love for football.
As for it being a fluke, that's what people have been saying for the past several years. BYU beat Oregon in a bowl game, UCLA in a bowl game, Utah has beaten several PAC-wuss teams in bowl games, including USC in the 2001copper bowl. Who besides USC in the PAC-10 can you honestly say is superior to BYU or Utah? Washington State? Oregon State? Maybe Stanford? We have already seen that BYU and Utah can and have regularly beaten UCLA, Arizona, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford and Washington. Again, outside of USC the teams in your beloved conference are not that much better than the top of the MWC or WAC.
When does a consistent pattern quit being a fluke? Oh yeah, it will always be a fluke because of the elitist, jerk mentality that BYU and Utah can't compete. Please, step off your platform and accept the fact that the divide is not as great as you would like to believe.
Also for Joe and the other MWC haters. I found this on a blog that backs up my statements with facts-something the MWC haters don't provide. All they provide is "MWC sucks!" Here you go, cold hard facts:
"Top 4 MWC vs. All BCS Opponents past 3 yrs. (TCU, Utah, New Mexico and BYU)
20 wins 12 losses .625%
Only 9 teams in the conf. even with top 5, over half, we are 22-15 .595% added wyo
Top 4 MWC vs. All BCS Opponents past 5 yrs.
28 wins 20 Losses .583% (TCU, Utah, air force and BYU)
And you would think our bottom half would get waxed and completely drag us down, not so, even with our so called weaklings the MWC is 25-31 against BCS the past three years, take out SDSU and we are 25-25, dead even as a conference against all other BCS foes. No gap!
bottom line is we do consistently beat or play with bcs teams year in and year out, this is not new this year. We then beat each other up in conference, with one team emerging getting a hint of media attention. the conference really is better then people think, but that is because nobody has known about the other teams because of our TV deal, so our strength of schedule is always way too low cause everybody believes the rest of the middle to end of MWC is like the wac which is far from the truth. There is no gap, thus I leave you to ponder the $15 million BCS game vs. the $1.25 million las vegas bowl every year... Surely our cries of respect and injustice take hold of new meaning now. This was a reality check brought to you by the MWC."
So please, don't go hating on the MWC anymore. All you do is show your arrogance and ignorance.
Joe--- The infamous Joe returns! First of all, if you think I'm not a BYU fan you are all wrong. I actually have more BYU apparel than ASU apparel. I love BYU and think they have had an amazing team the last couple of years. Their offense this year is unreal. I hope they go to a BCS game. And No I'm not a bandwagon fan, I'm an ASU fan from very young. Didn't grow up in Zion, didn't watch BYU games, so the blood developed Maroon and Gold. I mean, I always wanted BYU to do well, you know, The Lord's school and all, and went to BYU during the Crowton years, went to every game and remember my last game attended BYU vs. Utah in Provo. I stayed till the end of the game to watch BYU lose 3-0 and snap a 65 year scoring streak. So yes I'm a BYU fan, no I'm not just jumping on a bandwagon, I'm pretty loyal, but I get a little agitated when it's assumed that since I'm Mormon, BYU has to be my number one team no matter what. Reminds me of the "arrogance and ignorance" (cody) that annoying BYU fans and Utah Mormons sometimes can exhibit. So thanks for judging me and trying to tell me how cool BYU football is.
Now to address my statement that has consumed your mind for the last week and has caused you to seek out your "cold hard facts" which I was almost certain came from www.MWC-haters.com, but I'm sure there is another similar website out there. Tell me that you wouldn't be a little scared to play USC, Cal, Oregon State, and Arizona State all in one season. Now I think ASU is could be a little overrated this year, but we'll know for sure where they are after they play No. 1 USC and No. 3 Georgia in the next few weeks so we can save commentary till then. I'm sorry NONE of your MWC teams will have to play anyone of that strength so we'll just have to extrapolate. But most BYU fans were scared about Washington and UCLA this year, two of the lesser of the PAC-10 teams this year. Pac-10 refs suck, but Washington isn't that good of a team. I'm sure all of you were holding your breath as Locker overthrew 3 or 4 wide wide open receivers on the last drive of the game. Washington clearly isn't the elite of the PAC-10.
As for UCLA. I'm sure it's hard to forget that Swift was their 3rd QB on the depth chart this spring and looked horrible in the first half against Tennessee. They were also without their starting RB and TE for the game. So imagine playing without Hall, Gaskins, Pitta, or Unga. Probably a different outcome right. Great game, great win, but UCLA might not make a bowl game this year.
So who else does the MWC have? TCU? Good team, has been for a while and still is from their last few years in the MWC. I'm sure you're happy they are in the MWC because who else do you have? Utah? BYU is certainly scared to play Utah at the end of the season right? Utah beats Michigan, who is slapped around by Notre Dame, so how good is Michigan? I wonder who would win, Michigan or "TENNESSEE?" (jeremy)
BYU within the last two years lost to UCLA and Arizona, which other PAC-10 teams did they beat? Oh, a bad Arizona team last year in Provo, and UCLA in a bowl game. A UCLA team that had a brand new coach for that game and BYU almost gave the game away anyways. So what other arguments do you have? Oregon State in a bowl game 4 years ago? Bring something else please. Oh yeah, UTAH beat USC in 2001. That's right.
So hopefully the MWC is on the way up. But seriously, how bout they play somebody. I'm sure if LSU and Georgia are willing to play ASU, they would be willing to play Utah, New Mexico, UNLV, Wyoming, and San Diego State as well. BYU will get to show it next year when they play ASU and Florida State. Good for them.
So a crappy TV contract, that's your excuse?
I'm not trying to BYU bash here, but trying to show that your educated comparisons between the MWC and the Pac-10 might have a few flaws.
By the way, my wife kisses me every time BYU scores a touchdown and it gets better if they win, so why wouldn't I want them to score 59 points every week.
Cody-- Sigh, Nathan and Joe. Apparently you didn't read my comments. You claim that BYU would be scared to play the teams in the PAC, but didn't Utah destroy your beloved Oregon State last year? Didn't BYU destroy Oregon two years ago? BYU can compete with any team in the PAC on any given week and consistently do well (with the exception of USC, but how many times has ASU beat USC in the last 4 years?) I do agree that if BYU were in the BIG 12, the PAC or the SEC that they wouldn't run the table as often. Nobody on here has claimed that. All we are saying is that for every 10-2 or 9-3season that Oregon or ASU has in the PAC that BYU could do the same. You act as if ASU, Oregon or CAL are so superior, we show you the facts that they are not. Nathan, you didn't present one single fact, just pure conjecture and opinion. All you did was show the BYU schedule, which as I have proven, has several teams which consistently beat the PAC teams. So please, until you can come back with some substance, refrain from belittling the MWC or BYU.
Joe-- of course I read your comments. I even quoted you.
Cody-- Fine Joe, then you apparently refuse to accept the facts of my comments or you need some reading comprehension. You claim that no one in the MWC will play teams of the caliber that ASU will. Yeah, you're right, ASU is a really crappy team. Too bad UNLV couldn't beat a much better caliber team to boost the strength of schedule for the MWC. Looks like we need to quit scheduling all those weak, crappy PAC teams that lower our strength of schedule. ASU got beat, at home, by a cellar dweller of the MWC and yet you pass it off as the MWC not playing tough teams. What an insult to ASU for you to say that. Too funny how selective you PAC fans are of the facts. You pick and choose that which will make you look tougher, yet ignore the current facts at hand.
Joe-- I believe Oregon State destroyed Utah 24-7. Check my sources. http://utahutes.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/archive/utah-m-footbl-sched2007.html
Cody--- You're right about OSU and Utah. I was mistaken and was thinking of the UCLA spanking last year. We'll see what happens when the beavers come to Rice Eccles stadium next week.
PS Nathan, before you diss on BYU's schedule, let's see what ASU's oh-so difficult schedule was last year.
San Jose State (one of the worst WAC teams, 5-7 record last year)
Colorado (one of the worst BIG 12 teams, record last year was 6-7)
San Diego State (one of the worst MWC teams, 4-8 last year)
Oregon State (9-4)
Stanford (4-8 last year)
Washington State (5-7 last year)
Washington (4-9 last year)
California (6-6 last year)
Oregon (9-4)
UCLA (6-7)
USC (11-2)
Arizona (you already admitted that Arizona sucks, 5-7)
74-76 is the total win/loss record of their opponents-a losing record. And if you take out USC it plummets to 63-74, wow that is amazing. What a powerful schedule they have, look those formidable foes they face. You have me convinced, they are clearly better than BYU and the MWC (very tongue in cheek by the way).
BYU's opponents win/loss record is: 70-69 (not including E. Washington) and that includes the 2-10 UNLV that just beat the Wicked Awesome ASU Sundevils in Tempe. Wow. Say it aint so.
Oh and before you bag on BYU for playing E. Washington and NIU, that's because all the BCS teams refuse to schedule with BYU and they have to schedule those teams to fill the season. What you fail to admit is what BCS coaches recognize, teams don't want to play BYU for fear of losing to a weak, simple non-bcs team.
PPS-how about those Ducks? They sure beat up on that inferior WAC team at home, didn't they? Who does that leave in the PAC besides USC? That's right, no one. Again, have fun touting USC and the 9 dwarves.
Joe-- You forget that 4 to 5 Pac 10 teams were in the AP top 25 every week last year. So naturally home teams would probably have the advantage and running the table would be almost impossible. In fact it didn't happen. Your argument is so lame. You know nothing outside your coveted MWC. Along with USC, Cal and Oregon and Oregon State had amazing teams, but beat up on each others and were hampered by injuries at the end of the season. Still 4 teams were in the top 25 at the end of the year. ASU was a sleeper last year. They are still rebuilding from several bad years. As I stated earlier, I think they were overrated coming into the season, but we'll get a chance to see where they stand when they play Georgia and USC. Also, nobody is bashing BYU. Where is anyone bashing BYU?
Also, you obviosly watched none of the UNLV ASU game. So any statement you make means nothing. Upsets happen. You have to live with it. You have to be realistic. Something that annoying MWC fans can't seem to understand.
"The Cougars have won a MWC record 17 straight conference games." That can only happen in a weaker conference. Inferior competition week in and week out.
Cody-- Joe, your whole argument hinges on how "great" the PAC is. If the PAC truly is that great and that dominant, then maybe you begin to have a point. But as I have clearly shown you, the divide between the PAC and the MWC is not that great. You say that my argument is lame, but again proceed to provide nothing but opinion. Show me winning percentages and numbers. I have provided the numbers, you have not. You start trying to undermine me by saying "you obviously watched none of the UNLV ASU game". How do you know? I happened to be following that game that day for the very purpose of being able to cheer on UNLV against the overrated PAC. Again, thank you for proving how ignorant you truly are with your silly comments.
Also, just because I cheer for the MWC doesn't mean I am as ignorant as you with regards to other conferences. I happen to love college football and follow what goes on outside the MWC.
Also, you claim that Cal had an amazing team. You really consider 6-6 amazing? That is hillarious. Who did they beat? Tennessee? Too funny. Is this the same Tennessee that UCLA had such a magnificent victory against this year? The same UCLA that BYU trounced? Uh, ok, you go ahead and run with that argument.
Also, saying that BYU plays inferior competition week in and week out is the same competition that has gone undefeated against your precious PAC 10 this year. Your argument gets more and more pathetic the more this continues. I repeatedly have shown you the numbers that the MWC isn't this lowly, undeserving conference that you keep claiming it is. I have not advocated that it is the best conference, but rather a deserving conference of a BCS bid because it has teams that consistently win against BCS teams. So, please Joe, let's hear some more of your ignorant, arrogant defenses of ASU and the PAC. I love to shut you down with FACTS! You claim that MWC fans aren't being realistic and therefore are annoying. Hey dude, try looking in a mirror.
Joe- "I happened to be following that game that day for the very purpose of being able to cheer on UNLV against the overrated PAC." So you followed the game or you watched it? Which one? You bring garbage facts about the PAC 10 conference in 2007 and I bring up that 4 to 5 of Pac-10 teams were ranked in the top 25 all each week all year long. You can check it out if you google 2007 AP football rankings. If you are playing against teams week in and week out that are ranked in the top 25 then you are playing against tough team and you might finish with a 9-4 or 8-5 ranking. How do you like dem numbers? You are "arrogant and ignorant." You love the word arrogant by the way. Your facts about BCS teams and MWC teams mean nothing. MWC teams could have a .625 winning percentage with bottom dwellers of BCS conference teams. Your number mean nothing therefore I ignore your stupid numbers. All I think of is how you are a "elitist, jerk." Give me the last 5 top 20 teams that MWC teams have beat. Those might mean something.
Cody-- How is the PAC-10 doing today Joe? After today, there will be 3 MWC teams ranked and only one PAC team. Or is that still garbage facts because it doesn't support your silly position? So, BYU will be playing week in and week out against ranked teams, teams from the MWC, while the PAC league will be playing against each other (all inferior competition according to your logic because they aren't ranked, and all this before league play when they begin to "beat up" on each other.)
I like how you keep using the term "might". That's not facts. Or maybe you aren't smart enough to realize that. Using "might" is not numbers, so I don't like "dem numbers".
If I use the word arrogant alot it's because it is very fitting to your snobby attitude towards the MWC. You refuse to give them any credit, therefore, you are arrogant. Websters dictionary: Arrogant- (adj) exaggerating or disposed to exaggerate one's own worth or importance often by an overbearing manner.
Yep, that sounds like you Joe. You call my facts garbage simply because they don't support your claim, and then you come back with "might" and "could". Wow, solid facts there buddy! And, how am I the elitist jerk when I am calling for equality? Yeah, you know that darn equality, you are such an elitist Cody!!!
"Your number mean nothing therefore I ignore your stupid numbers." Translation:"Your numbers support your claim, so I am going to ignore that which doesn't help my cause". Not only are you arrogant and ignorant, but you are blind as well Joe. Keep proving me right.
Cal was ranked at number 3 in the nation at one point last year. You might have known that if you really followed football outside of the MWC. So why did they finish 6-6? Well, "maybe" it had to do with injuries. Lost the QB for several games. The RB for several games. Seasons obviously can turn if that happens. Also, you have no understanding that things change from year to year. History also means nothing to you Teams change. Someone so intelligent as you should understand that. Yeah, the pac-10 isn't as good this year. I can accept that. The MWC hasn't become a powerhouse though. So basically I've learned what most people already knew. You can't argue with Cody Calderwood. He knows everything and you are just ignorant and arrogant if you don't accept his views. Thanks for enlightening me. Wyoming is the 5th ranked MWC team? Are you kidding me?
Cody- Joe, don't tell me that Cal started the season ranked high. So what, they were overrated, what did they do to prove they deserved that ranking throughout the season? (by the way, just because I didn't mention that doesn't mean I didn't know it, lol, I don't refer to pre-season rankings or other trivial nonsense. I look at the work of a season) You keep referring to the injuries for all the PAC losses. BYU and Utah could have easily done that the last several years. Last year, BYU lost their top RB-Fui, but guess what? Someone stepped up big behind him-Unga. That's what good teams do, their bench players step up big. Aside from Fui, BYU also lost several key starters on defense to injuries, but you never heard Bronco or the Cougars making excuses for injuries.
This quote is for you: "Excuses are the nails used to build a house of failure." ~Don Wilder and Bill Rechin
Keep the excuses coming though, because tomorrow when the rankings come out you will have no leg to stand on once the MWC has 3ranked teams and your precious PAC has one, the only team in the conference that has a claim to superiority-USC. By the way, I know that teams change, that is what I have been trying to show in this entire thread genius. Why should the BCS conferences be entitled to all the money just because they dominated in the 90's? TEAMS CHANGE JOE! These so called superior BCS teams are not so superior this season, so rightfully the best teams in the country should be allowed to go to the top bowls regardless of their conference affiliation. The MWC and the other non-BCS programs should be allowed access to the enormous sums of money that go to only BCS conferences. By the way, how many national championships does ASU football have? How many Heisman trophy winners, Doak Walker award winners, and Outland trophy winners have they had? Not even in the same league as BYU. Just curious then why they are so superior a program to BYU.
Cody-- Oh, and I love how once you have run out of things to say, your only defense is, "You can't argue with Cody Calderwood. He knows everything and you are just ignorant and arrogant if you don't accept his views." No, you are ignorant and arrogant if you refuse to accept the facts and ignore the truth. Present me facts and I'll accept them. Just like when I accepted that Utah lost to Oregon State, I will admit when I am wrong, unlike you who keeps digging himself deeper and deeper into this sinking pit of nonsense. Admit that BYU, Utah, Boise St., Fresno State and other good programs deserve to get an automatic $2 million a year for doing nothing more than belonging to a BCS conference. Much like Baylor, Washington State, Minnesota, Vanderbilt, Villanova and other football pygmies do. The BSC is a sham, and is supported on the backs of some prideful Americans belonging to a good-ole-boys club that refuse to let anyone else in.
A banged up Cal team beat Air Force in the bowl game last year. Isn't Air Force in the MWC?
Week 6 of the season USC was ranked number 2 in the nation, Cal was ranked number 3 after beating Tennessee, Colorado State, Louisiana Tech, Arizona, and Number 11 ranked Oregon at Oregon. It wasn't preseason ranking, it was more than half way through the season. The only research you have is from your friends BYU football blog. Lame.
So if Max Hall and Harvey Unga got hurt, BYU wouldn't miss a beat?
Hopefully this link works. Do a little research. This is why the Pac-10 gets an automatic bid. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
2007_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_rankings
Joe-- Pac-10 vs. MWC 2007 results
Cal goes 2-0 (airforce, colorado state)
Oregon goes 1-0 (Utah)
ASU 1-0 (San Diego State)
Oregon State didn't play any
USC didn't play any.
Those are the top 5 Pac-10 schools and seems like they went undefeated against MWC teams.
Washington didn't play any
Washington State 1-0 (San Diego)
Arizona 0-2 (BYU, New Mexico)
UCLA 1-2 (BYU win, Utah, BYU loss)
Stanford 0-1 (TCU)
Bottom Five goes 2-6
So That's where you are getting your facts huh? The bottom 5 of the Pac-10 lose to BYU, New Mexico, TCU, Utah (The top four of the MWC).
The Bottom 5 of the Pac-10 beat BYU and San Diego State (a given win right)
And that's your argument that MWC is comparable to the Pac-10. Do you consider these facts? Obviously your facts don't deal with the top 5 teams of the Pac-10 because they went undefeated against your precious MWC.
So yes, the MWC can play with the bottom five of the Pac-10. Congratulations Cody.
In 2006 Pac-10 vs. MWC teams were
USC Didn't play
Oregon 0-1 (BYU)
Oregon State Didn't Play any
Cal Didn't play any
UCLA 1-0 (Utah)
ASU Didn't play any
Arizona 1-0 (BYU Ouch!)
Washington didn't play any
Washington State didn't play any
Stanford didn't play any
Cody-- So this is the data that you want to use to back up that the MWC is superior to the Pac-10? Doesn't seem very convincing in your favor. I don't see any big wins in there for the MWC. BYU against Oregon? We aren't arguing BYU. They've been running the table every year in the MWC. We're talking MWC. It's not that strong of a conference. You might have 3 in the top 25 right now, but the Pac-10 always has 4 to 5. So play somebody and beat somebody and then we can resume this conversation. Invite your other MWC friends.
Cody-- I think its funny Joe how you cling to the defense that "teams change" but refuse to acknowledge that MWC teams can change too. It goes both ways man. Don't be a hypocrite. By the way, the AP polls are out:
BYU #11
Utah #17
TCU #24
The only PAC team ranked is USC. Again, outside of USC, this year the MWC has better teams, and therefore deserves a shot at the BCS money.
Joe-- How many top 25 teams has the whole MWC beaten since 2000?
and this is chad by the way. go cougars!
Thanks. This is priceless
Wow they are really pretty. I have stuff like that too though. If it doesn't work it doesn't work. Way cute though.
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